What are people opinions on using vapour as an alternative to smoking ?

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    Mr Lefty . said:
    27 May 2016

    Hi , The Idea is to Quit Not find an alternative . Ergo Pointless topic .

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Good morning Marclucas. My brother in law used vapour. I'm not speaking for others only my BIL experience.. it doesn't work. He thought.. this is great and look I don't smoke any more!! Not! As soon as he started coming off the vapour he started "social smoking" after all of that he done the hard yards and went cold turkey. I know a lot of people who have used Eciggs and all sorts to quit but in the long run they have returned to smoking. I actually can't say I know anyone at all who have used vapour successfully. Others might disagree but personally.. throw it in the bin. Have a nice day 😊

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    Lwray said:
    27 May 2016

    I have no personal experience with them but I've not heard anything good about them. A big waste of money if you ask me.

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    marclucas said:
    27 May 2016

    Not a pointless topic mr lefty I was asking opinions , nothing good to say don't comment ok

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    marclucas said:
    27 May 2016

    The head of quit smoking nz was on new stalk zb the other day and she said it was a great alternative for people who struggle , she was disappointed that the government was not funding or open to the idea

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    nanaturtle said:
    27 May 2016

    If You feel this could be helpful, then Use it. For me, my biggest concern would be the hand-to

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    nanaturtle said:
    27 May 2016

    Grrr... Hand-to-Mouth action. Far too familiar to be comfortable with. Eventually, all old behaviours must Stop.

    Stay strong marclucas,

    When Your Quit is achieved, You can be Super proud of Yourself!!!

    Stay strong 😃

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    Mr Lefty . said:
    27 May 2016

    http://theconversation.com/want-to-quit-smoking-switching-to-e-cigarettes-no-advantage-40499 .
    We are here to support each other M ,
    It is an addiction to Nicotine ,plus the activity of smoking is part of it
    Evidence is conclusive It doesn't Work .
    I too was a long term smoker and still get wicked cravings even after 15 Months .
    There are No advantages to alternative ways of dispensing the very highly toxic substance we are all are trying to Quit .


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    helenback said:
    27 May 2016

    I think you should do whatever you think is helpful. I have had 3 friends quit via vaping and it has been very succesful for them, on the flipside I have had friends start vaping and just be as addicted to vaping as they were to cigs (lesser of two evils i think though). My personal advice to you would be, if you are going to use an e-cip, vape whatever then you should use it only in your super super times of need. Dont use it to just replace smoking. Do the 4 Ds, do a different activity and then if you are still tearing your hair out then use the vape, it can also be quite good for high risk situations like drinking, socialing etc.

    Sorry for the rant but I believe in their quit everyone should be able to choose their way to quit, if it helps you then awesome and to be honest, vaping is 100 times better than smoking anyway. :)

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Hi Marclucas. Did the head of quit smoking NZ give reasons why Hi Marclucas. Did the head of quit smoking NZ give reasons why vapour was a great alternative? When she said "people who are struggling" who exactly was she pin pointing? In my opinion.. everyone who quits smoking is "struggling" we are all disappointed with the Govt for one reason or another but where is her evidence, where is her facts, what does she base her findings on that vapour is a "great alternative" for "those who struggle" (all of us). What the he'll does she know? Did she smoke? Does she know the struggles of quitting smoking? I'm sorry.. but I really do get my back up when people (the head of quit smoking nz) just blurt Shi* out and they have not researched the topic.. obviously.. or she would know that evidence shows us.. and people who have tried this method and failed can tell others that *it does not work! This is still MY opinion as you asked.. and I'm not having a go at you.. but Mr Lefty gave his opinion.. his opinion was something you didn't want to hear.. but.. he gave his opinion. I bet my bottom dollar that when Mr Lefty does have an opinion, it is always something good to say. In fact.. he has given you his truthful opinion backed up with a link to help support you best he can. We are here to support each other, Mr Lefty a man I and many others love and adore for his untold support and truthful approach. Welcome to the quit family ☺

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Lol.. sorry about the typos.. my phone is auto correcting and writing it's own comments!

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Who is the "head of quit smoking NZ". I don't understand why she would make such a ridiculous statement. Why would the Govt fund the idea or vapour? What a bloody idiot. Sorry.. but I really do have little time for such stupidity. What a bloody stupid mindless statement for her to make grrr

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    Wow, a subject people are passionate about. Here is my 2 cents worth...
    I am not a fan of vaping, especially nicotine-vaping. But I am a fan of other NRT, ie, patches and lozenges/gum. There is conflicting evidence about NRT - from Mr Leftys link above, to Quitlines stance that chances of quitting are highly improved with NRT. If you go deep enough into Quitline there are links to peer reviewed clinical studies on this. So I would advise do your research and make your own decision.
    Regarding vaping - I know of a 20 year old lad who has never had a sickerette in his life, but it well addicted to vaping. It is trendy for young folk, who think it is 'harmless' due to the lack of many toxins found in tobacco. So it is not even being used as a quit-smoking aid - it is being used as a nicotine delivery system on its own. Young people and children are in danger, I feel. For me, vaping follows too many of the actions of smoking; I also know of smokers who have tried to quit by vaping but have gone back to cigerettes - which says it all, really.
    It is a fact that poor people (along with people with Mental Health issues, incidently) are more likely to smoke tobacco. It follows that some people will buy tobacco before buying other essentials, often to the detriment of children. (Not judging, just sayin). Vaping is alot cheaper than tobacco. This is why some people (and only some) are advocating vaping. I think that is a short term solution to a long term problem, but it is a valid point. There is a lot of research being done both here and overseas, and I think we need to wait until this research is completed. I am glad NZ does not yet offer nicotine-vaping as a NRT. The jury is still out, IMHO. I think it will show that nicotine-vaping is NOT a good NRT aid for quitting smoking.

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    LOL glad to see your passion, SFM, and dont worry, our Mr L can take a bit of flak with his strong views. (((Huggles))

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    JohnnyRED said:
    27 May 2016

    It worked for me but only because if you use it as an alternative you'll go back to Tobacco but if used as a type of NRT with the intention to quit Tobacco it becomes effective therapy ergo it should be subsidised. Fagoff the blogger ahead of you used it and look at him. Tekarere showed it was working for many Maori women who are also lobbying for government funding too. I no longer use it but have still got a supply just in case. I support it's use but doubt the government wants to despite evidence all over the world.

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    Ministry of Health NZ report on vaping:

    http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/preventative-health-wellness/tobacco-control/advice-use-e-cigarettes

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    JohnnyRED said:
    27 May 2016

    Sorry I'm not sure if those Maori women are looking for funding more than a law change on making nicotine liquid available for sale within NZ. Currently you can only import from overseas for personal use.

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Me te whakaaro nui, now let me tell you something about our Maori women, funding and smoking.. Te Karere focus on trend and forecasting based on instant findings. What research has Te Karere put into place to show HOW vaping is working for our Maori women? Can they tell us the long term effects? Over what time frame are they looking at? How long have these Maori wahine been using vapour methods to quit smoking? The questions you need to ask yourself are valid.. it's not as simple as "it is working for many Maori women" what a load of crap. I'm really not having a go at you JR.. arohamai, tino koa ana i te rongo pai kua hau mai.. but you need to do your homework. If you want to go through the "Maori women and funding" door.. you should come prepared. Vaping does not work.

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    helenback said:
    27 May 2016

    Sorry, I just would like to step in for defence of Marclucas. He was just asking for people's opinions and Mr. Lefty (with all due respect) pretty much just shut him down completely saying 'pointless topic' His comment further down was good, he gave his opinion and provided some evidence, awesome but the first comment was a little unfair. Marclucas was just asking for information and opinions - not to be dismissed. I dont mean to step on any toes with my comments I know Mr.Lefty is a pillar of these quit blogs and a strong one at that. I just felt like I needed to say that. Thats all! Happy SF days everyone

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    PSPSP said:
    27 May 2016

    Actually Helenback, with respect, Marclucas was not asking for information-he was just asking for opinions. Which he got.

    Why is Mr Lefty's opinion, that it is a pointless topic (an opinion I agree with incidentally), any less worthwhile than your opinion that vaping is 100 times better than smoking-an opinion with no statisical basis to support it.

    So..here is my opinion. I wholeheartedly agree with smokefree and the others who have opined that vaping is not a good thing. I disagree strongly with those who endorse vaping. If the head of smokefreeNZ (an organisation who I have not be able to track down) endorses vaping then, in my opinion, he or she should resign.

    There are studies for and against vaping. Interestinly the studies against vaping are independent. Those for vaping are often paid for by the people who manufacture vaping implements and the capsules. And even more interesting, vaping is now a multi-billion dollar a year industry.

    This vaping debate is one we continue to have on here ad nauseum. We all have our opinion so I wouldn't get too offended helenback about robust comments. If all that marclucas wanted was affirmation about vaping he has come to the wrong place. And Mr Lefty didn't really shut down marclucas or the debate given the number of comments here.

    In my opinion.

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    helenback said:
    27 May 2016

    You misunderstand me, I never said Mr.Leftys opinion was 'worthless' actually the contrary, I said his comment below was great. In my 'opinion' when I ask a question on a forum, I generally want more information than just saying it was a pointless topic, why you think it is pointless topic etc. Like I said, im really not out to offend anyone at all. I respect everyone on this blog greatly especially the long time people. I just felt like I had to stick up for Marc a little bit because I understood why he was a bit miffed with Mr Lefty's original comment. Once again, I really dont want to offend anyone and I wont say anymore on the matter. I just needed to clarify that as I dont want anyone to think I am being a pain in the butt with my comments.

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    helenback said:
    27 May 2016

    sorry 'less worthwhile' not worthless my bad

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Marclucas asked for our opinions* (on using vapour as an alternative to smoking) and Mr Lefty gave his opinion (the idea is to QUIT, NOT to find an alternative). Mr Lefty said it was a pointless topic (because we are here to quit, not look for alternatives aka different ways to smoke). Marclucas followed up with "nothing good to say, don't comment". Does that mean "only give an opinion I want to hear" or its not a good comment? As I said earlier, Mr Lefty gave his opinion, it was not an opinion that Marclucas wanted to hear but he gave his opinion, I can not see the unfairness in that.

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    Helen I like your reasoning. A considered opinion. (IMHO lol) :-) In fact, considering we are a bunch of recovering addicts discussing, in an online forum, a contentious subject, I think we are rocking this!. And remember sometimes the typed response can be misinterpreted.

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    To be fair, Mr Leftys style can appear harsh, as he himself has admitted in the past. To know him is to love him, but as a type-written response it was not unexpected to get the (also harsh) response it did. IMHO - lol again.
    I love you all. Be kind be gentle, try not to be too murdury, :-p xx

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    Gavin said:
    27 May 2016

    I can't believe someone invented the word...Vaping. Even my spell checker has highlighted it. decided to not add it to my dictionary.

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Ok I can see from reading your past blogs that you already have knowledge on vaping (because you purchased an e cigg 3 years ago) and have used an e cigg. Lol.. ohhh kayyy... All the best for quitting smoking this time round.. jump back on the wagon to be smoke free is so worth it. You can do this 😊

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    SERIOUSly, SFM??? "ohh kayyy..." ??
    Supportive - NOT.

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    *Condescending?.

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Huh? Just saying.. jump on the smoke free wagon. No harm ment.. 💕

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    PSPSP said:
    27 May 2016

    clarebear you need to relax and chill out. "Be kind, be gentle"-your words.

    Smokefree you just continue to be who you are. Thats what we all love about you. You have shown far more consistent support to people on this site than most others and have an empathy and understanding that others should emulate.

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    yup I hear yas. Sorry SFM - I love you to bits - this is my shiet, I will own it. I apologize unconditionally. xx

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    To be honest my worry is now about Mr Lefty, as he has had a fair few challenges lately. Hope u ok Mr L. x

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    PSPSP said:
    27 May 2016

    clarebear that is very gracious and deserves our respect.

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    smokefreemep said:
    27 May 2016

    Giggle* love you CB💕 love love pspsp❤

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    clarebear said:
    27 May 2016

    Honestly, I love ya all. You are in my heart. xx

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    helenback said:
    27 May 2016

    People fighting quitting an addiction + hot topic + opinions = heated discussions haha! That's what makes everyone who they are though and I love that. Let's get back to what's important, not smoking!!! Hope everyone has an awesome weekend.

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    helenback said:
    27 May 2016

    Also I really do apologise if anything I have said has offended anyone. I can come across a bit heated sometimes but that's just my fire in my belly. I respect everyone so much on these blogs, the oldies and newbies. So I hope no harm done :)

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    JohnnyRED said:
    27 May 2016

    I'm sorry for my opinion I didn't mean to upset anyone. You're right I need to do more homework I didn't know tekarere was all crap, or fagoff or leetleet or hundreds of thousands testimonials on ecig-forum or those women on tekarere or this other guy who quit six years ago or the two studies the ministry says is not enough that Tobacco products like eliquid are prohibited but nrt and tobacco are legal. UK government should do homework they allow eliquid. All the sound arguments made in articles by top professors and experts need to stop being paid off by the tobacco industry. They don't want to help people quit or save lives, you have to take a 50g a day habit and cold turkey. We're all idiots because we don't understand what you are saying. Aroha mai e hoa I've had a crap day unblocking the toilet drains man it stank. Good news in budget today no subsidies for ecig but tax cuts for the rich. Luckily I was rich enough to buy my ecigs which were 75 % cheaper than smoking. Never thought how controversial a product that saved my life would be so I'll stop now.

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    marclucas said:
    27 May 2016

    Sorry been working , did I miss something ;)

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    PSPSP said:
    27 May 2016

    Guys and gals don't apologise. I like nothing more than a good debate.

    JohnnyRed never apologise for your opinion. It is sincerely held and I respect you for that. I may not agree with you but I would never disrespect your opinion.

    I think the thing we all have to recognise as to what what binds us together on this site-we all have this desire to not smoke and we are non smokers. And that is a beautiful thing.

    Helenback it takes more than someone to disagree with me to be offended-again don't apologise. I have to say that it is refreshing to have this kind of debate.

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    Crystal said:
    27 May 2016

    😂

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    PSPSP said:
    27 May 2016

    People have come onto this blog marclucas to discuss the issues-and here we have your "did I miss something" comment. A bit disingenuous on your part.

    What is your point exactly?


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    marclucas said:
    28 May 2016

    Wow , my point is I didn't expect that response . To say it was a pointless topic there are a lot of opinions on it .

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    nanaturtle said:
    28 May 2016

    Woah-I considered wading into this debate.

    This is one time I'm glad to know Nothing!!

    Except Smokefree (no matter How) IS The Best!!

    Stay strong ALL 😃🚭👌

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    LouieLB said:
    04 September 2016

    hello there Marclucas
    Will i was a very heavy smoker. The patches and gum did not work for me. So i am using Nicorette. Witch works wonders. But the Ecig. will to me, no it did not work for me either. Waisting my Breath with that thing. But when i heard about the Nicorette wow i thought i had to try this one out. And we can buy it in Countdown. And other supermarkets to. I was a very heavy smoker to like i said before. I am actuly happy happy joy joy. with this product, very happy. Because when my friend came over to see me. She needed a smoke i automatically said yes thats ok. But i dont have any astrays all things to do with smoking here any more. What im trying to say is the smoke i had. did not affect me in any way at all. I think i need to try it out. To see if i wanted that smoke all not. I my self recommend Nicorette. I think thats the kind of answer you are looking for. Your blog sounded so funny. One was not listening to your question. Thats all. I hope i helped.

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    Awesome said:
    26 February 2017

    Personally it didn't work for it encouraged me to smoke nicotine but hay we all have different ways of winnering like losing and its just like for me 4ds may have work for you but it didn't so we all have diff ways of reacting to something.am I correct.

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    Awesome said:
    26 February 2017

    Work for me-4ds but everyone has a different way of reacting to something

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    SeanC said:
    08 April 2017

    I stopped smoking 7 years ago with the aid of vaping. This was on the back of 35 years of failed attempts by every other method. I have continued to vape all this time as my wife was a smoker and I always worried about the easy access to cigarettes.
    My wife stopped smoking about 3 months ago and as a result I decided to stop vaping. It was incredibly easy, no willpower needed and the only discomfort being a few days of fuzzy head from nicotine withdrawal.

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    TigerTree said:
    30 August 2017

    Dont do it! It has side effects as well and as the placebo you'd likely be using it for, it will work for a while until you also get sick of using it, as it in itself, if you have never been a smoker, I know nobody who vapours for the fun of it. Only ex-smokers or quitters etc, so yeah na, not really, still too closely affiliated with smoking, the whole thing, just No! It's just a trendy thing lately, but dont waste your money, it has no health benefits. Rather spend that money on some good food and drink to help your body recover.

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    Anonymous said:
    12 September 2017

    Is it safe?

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    Nicky said:
    21 September 2017

    Thinking of trying this.

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    Jackal said:
    29 March 2018

    You people are completely clueless. Vaping has become the most successful stop smoking aid in history. I know countless people who have quit smoking using an ecig when NOTHING else worked, including myself. What sort of support are you offering when you tell people to throw their ecig in the rubbish etc or to say they don't work? Pathetic. The patches gum and lozenges didn't work for me (or countless others) but I'm not on here saying they don't work and you shouldn't try those methods. Vaping won't work for every one just like the gum and patches won't work for everyone. Stop shooting down legitimate and highly successful methods just cause you took a different path. Without vaping I would still be smoking. So all you misinformed haters can go to hell. Everyone has their own way. This is supposed to be a support site. This blog seems to be the complete opposite where people who have quit using an ecig are ridiculed. Absolutely pathetic

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    Legrangel49 said:
    18 December 2018

    Yea the dreaded vap i know for me was never going to be a alternative but every one's different i use lozengers and eat heaps of carrots i chop them into smoke size and use them with the lozengers seems to work for me 😎✌️

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    Sharns said:
    19 March 2019

    If u vape ur smoking again